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Game forums will be the end of us all

posted on November 14th, 2008 by golden jew

The internet has brought us many wonderful things. Most notably, a lot of easily accessible niche porn, but also wonderful things like online bill paying, instant messenger, downloadable games, online games, MMORPG… really, the list is endless. Frankly, it is amazing white collar workers are productive at all anymore. Unfortunately, the internet has also brought us some very terrible things. J-Date ranks high on that list (along with the rest of online dating), but by far the worst of all is internet forums.

Why internet forums, you ask eagerly? Your puppy dog eyes betray a depth of hurt: after all, you undoubtedly spend your time trolling gamefaqs.com, or perhaps like me you pick a flavor and hit up the Rock Band forums or Civfanatics. But no matter what forum you read, you’re going to get the same things… over…and over… and over…

Circular Arguments

Perhaps the most time consuming of the forum phenomena. At a certain level, it’s cute. Someone has a point of view. Someone else disagrees. But then it stops being cute after the 20th page of the same arguments. And before long it degenerates into name calling and trolling. Because in this infinite world of infinite viewpoints, people will agree to disagree–and in good dinner company, they leave it at that. But on the internet, where everyone is avoiding actually working (or hiding in mommy’s basement from sunlight), they need to have the last word… or the last last word… or the lastest word…

Mindless Fanboys

You spend an hour carefully crafting a detailed essay as to why a particular game developer has dropped the ball on their latest creation. You have a list of cited references, complex charts, and managed to get published by a prestigious sociological journal. You post it on Civfanatics.com. Your first 5 responses are (in order):

“tl;dr”
“Why don’t you make a video game if it’s so easy.”
“Sid Meier is the best, I’m going to suck his cock right now!”
“I’m going to go patch the game for Sid Meier! Because his awesomeness deserves my worship as a paying customer!”
“Fall Out Boy sucks, that’s not music, we need more Led Zeppelin!” (whoops, wrong forum)

Rationality is out the window. You are in the land of the fanboy. Logic has no place here. And no, I’m not bitter, I swear!

Forum Cliques

Is it me, or does every forum seem to have the same group of people either jerking each other off, no matter what the topic (Peanut butter and jelly is the best! Yeah!), or the same group trolling each other? Its like all of the kids who weren’t popular in high school banded together on the internet to overwhelm the rest of us. Ordinarily I wouldn’t care, but it seems impossible to hold a meaningful dialogue: anyone who is an “outsider” is either glossed over or rapidly swept away in a sea of angry trolls.

The biggest shame of all of this is that the forums could be a great form of communication for gamer-kind; a near unlimited, highly technical group of people brought together by a given interest (be it games as a whole, a particular game, a genre, whatever). Unfortunately, the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in people, and instead of any sort of meaningful dialogue you get a caricature of human communication that is more interested in contradiction and flaming than actual conversation or forward progress for games.

While this might evoke a “so what” reaction, forums serve as the easiest insight a game developer or game reviewer has into the masses at large. And since the masses at large are composed of the vocally abusive asshats and the largely silent majority, it’s a medium that goes largely underutilized. Communications from companies and developers have to be brusque and professional, with heavy moderation. Any sort of attempt at human communication are met with the raging fury of the mob.

It seems that the internet is better at tearing down than building. Hackers and the like can dedicate unlimited manpower against any security system because they don’t want to pay anything (or want the notoriety). Yet when it comes to building useful content, like mods or maps or even actual ideas, the DOTA of the internet are far outweighed by the 100 remixes of Zelda and Mario theme music on GH:WT. And thus where forum communication could be a treasure trove of intellectual capital for a game designer, instead it is filled with the lowest of the low demanding more boobies and decrying anything and everything.

If anyone needs me, I’ll be on the computer looking at porn. At least I’ll be satisfied with the interaction.

10 Comments

  1. SAGExSDX said on November 14, 2008:

    tl;dr

    =) i keed. It is indeed frustrating to write up something of worth on a forum and then have it ignored as the rest of the follow up posters address the troll above you.

    However there are plenty of places where those sorts of things are kept to a minimum. I feel like this is one gaming blog where commenters/writers respect each other’s opinions.

    Another place I find “refuge” is a more focused games sales market website, thesimexchange.com. There is plenty of meaningful commentary there, mostly related to sales performances and sales expectations/predictions. Any sort of ignorant speak is usually struck down pretty quickly.

    I still have some hope for the internet.

  2. jay said on November 14, 2008:

    Thanks for the compliment and suggestion, Sage. You also stole my joke.

    I find I tend to become two dimensional on most message boards – it’s almost necessary to develop a shtick. Of course I don’t want to but there are only so many times you can write up a thought out post and be entirely ignored before you resort to sarcastic one liners.

    This site may be small but the comments seem to all be shtick free, which I really like. Maybe one day when we double our readership to four people posts will begin to mirror Joystiq comments but for now I’m happy.

  3. Christian said on November 14, 2008:

    The “nerds gang up on the net” theory is 100% sound in my mind. The worst is that, being nerds,they are all they know it all, and can make the right decisions all the time. No sense of humility on the nets I’m afraid. Also, they don’t like thinking, so topics are always the easiert/most boring thing to talk about. I left Gamespy’s boards years ago when they became nothing more than list threads.

  4. jay said on November 14, 2008:

    Top 3 List of Commentors in this Article:

    3. Christian
    2. Jay
    1. SAGExSDX

  5. GJ said on November 14, 2008:

    Sage,

    Correlation is not causation, but the elitist side of me is unsurprised that a sales commentary site has a higher quality of dialogue. Because the fundamental discussion is around somethign that is metric centric: you can’t give a sales number 10/10 because Activision made it and you’re Gamespot– if the sales number sucks, it sucks. Data is harder for internet morons to fight. But not impossible, of course.

    Also, props for tl;dr. I was hoping someone would be clever enough to respond to my article as such!

  6. jay said on November 14, 2008:

    A sales site may attract people less interested in fighting fanboy wars, but beware gaming forums that run sales threads.

  7. pat said on November 14, 2008:

    neogaf sales and industry threads are surreal to read. they end up hosting about 5 conversations at a time. most of those conversations are fanboys trying to spin the numbers to make their favorite console/company look good, one or two consist entirely of “wii sucks, gaming is over” “no it isnt, the wii is great” and then one is a handful of people blithely discussing the topic at hand while the shitstorm of insults and nonsense swirls around them.

  8. SpyderMayhem said on November 14, 2008:

    Say what you will about it as a whole, but the moderators at Somethingawful keep the forums running smoothly and intelligently. Rather than fighting against the fanboys, they instead quarantined them to their own forum (YCS) and refuse to allow that type of behavior outside of that given area. Also, the cliques are stuck in BYOB and FYAD, so the rest of the sprawling wasteland is free to do whatever.

  9. christian said on November 14, 2008:

    That’s quite true Spyder, but they also filter out junk by charging for membership. The fee is tiny, but the Internet is cheap, and it seems to work really well. I don’t subscribe myself, but my roomate has for the longest time, and I’m impressed with how savvy but smart the SA boards can be.

  10. chris said on November 14, 2008:

    The few game forums I’ve stuck with have long periods of inactivity or low activity in general. When a discussion starts up there’s usually a good flow, but new discussions are few and far between.

    If you get too many people or they’re too crazy, everything boils down to a flame war regardless of how it started. Unfortunately things tend to go the other way too – if things get too quiet, interest dwindles and you only get good topics every once in a while.

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